Wednesday Aug 09, 2023

#015 The Calamitous Coastal Caper

This Week on Another Brother:

In episode #015, The Calamitous Coastal Caper, after much waiting and anticipation the Brothers introduce their Sister! And, she's a sister after Josh's own heart. We're not saying it's because of aliens, but... by now you should know it's because of aliens. Are they real and billions of dollars are being spent studying them without Congressional oversight? Or, are aliens not real and billions of dollars are being spent on golden toilet seats without Congressional oversight? You be the judge. But if you need help, you can always call Jared. He is in fact the Hero Bonnie Tyler has been looking for.

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[00:00:00] This Week on Another Brother

[00:00:39] Another Brother Theme Song

[00:00:58] Stewnerds Segment

Alex: So what are we talking about today?

Josh: I'm not going to say it's aliens. But it's aliens.

Alex: And we've got a guest who was on an unpublished episode first, but now is gonna be on this published episode.

Josh: Yay.

Alex: Our sister Liz.

Josh: Cue the clap track.

Alex: Yay.

Josh: Yes, Liz was a part of our first failed recording.

Lizzie: It's cause I was there.

Josh: No, and we finally convinced her to come back and To help help with a topic that is always near and dear to my heart. I know what you're thinking no It's not that I have no idea what you're thinking actually, but it's aliens. Yeah, so Liz what cool thing just happened?

Lizzie: I don't actually know what it's called. It was a Congress hearing about aliens.

Josh: Yeah, it was. Let me find, I can't remember which subcommittee it was. Something about, for some reason, oh, it was the compliance and oversight, oh, the oversight committee and accountability.

Alex: About aliens? Literally about aliens or about UAP?

Lizzie: UAP

Josh: So the committee is the House or Senate committee on oversight and accountability.

Alex: But the hearing is on?

Josh: UAP.

Alex: UAPs.

Josh: As rolled under the subcommittee on national security

Alex: and is it UAP or UAPs for plural?

Lizzie: UAPi

Alex: because you don't put an S at the end of phenomenons though it should be UAP singular and plural, right?

Josh: Yeah. It's all encompassing.

Alex: I said that wrong

Josh: just like the phenomena itself. For some background This is for anyone who listens that has not seen this or heard of this. The UAP hearings were first held on July 26, 2023. So as of this recording, that was a couple days ago. And they were attended by David Grusch, who's a former military intel officer who became a whistleblower and told House lawmakers that Congress is being kept in the dark about unidentified anomalous phenomena. That's your UAP right there. David Grusch alleged at the hearing that executive branch agencies have withheld information about the mysterious objects for years. Grusch served as a representative on 2 Pentagon task forces investigating UAP until earlier this year. So he was on the UAP task force, which our friend Travis from that TV show of notoriety

Alex: Skinwalker Ranch

Josh: Skinwalker Ranch. was also on that test force, right?

Lizzie: Is he our friend now?

Josh: Oh yeah, Travis and us go way back. Yeah, I mean if you just say it

Lizzie: enough?

Josh: enough, it becomes true. So 1 of the most jaw-dropping things that David told Congress was he informed them of a multi-decade long UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that the US government has been executing. He said he was denied access to those programs when he requested access and he accused the military of misappropriating funds to shield these operations from congressional oversight. He later said he had interviewed officials who had direct knowledge of aircraft with non-human origins. We don't call it extraterrestrial anymore or alien. I guess the new Vogue term is non-human intelligence.

Alex: It's more PC.

Josh: And so-called biologics were recovered from some craft, which I don't know if that's a real word? But-

Alex: no actually that sounds more governmental military, you know speak

Josh: yeah

Lizzie: basically they have aliens though.

Josh: Yeah, you'd think that's kind of what it sounds like

Alex: so I guess it is about aliens in the end.

Lizzie: Yeah. Though they say non-humans.

Josh: Right well I think he said non-human biologics.

Lizzie: Yeah.

Alex: Right

Josh: the Congress lady Congresswoman Luna she first said I think you know her staffers probably prepared her But I think she asked him and she found you know extraterrestrial biologics right? and then he reiterated the phrase biologics. It's Kind of strange, but that made me think you know like they didn't say bodies right, but then all these like little news entities start saying like alien body bodies of pilots or whatever. I don't remember him saying pilots I remember him saying biologics.

Lizzie: No in fact somebody specifically asked so you have like them that later think even asked You have the pilots then basically? and he's like like I said earlier we have biologics and that was all he said

Josh: Oh yeah, and I can't talk about it in the open

Lizzie: and yeah, he said a lot Yeah,

Josh: so in my mind Okay, right because there's like to stop me if I'm going Beyond the scope of what we wanted to talk about.

Alex: All right,

Josh: but there's kind of like 2 UFO/UAP fanbases right there's like-

Alex: nuts and bolts

Josh: nuts and bolts. The aliens drive the things or control them. And there's the UFO as alien.

Alex: Right.

Josh: Like the craft itself is a-

Alex: It's not a craft.

Josh: Right.

Alex: It's a life form.

Josh: It is the alien.

Alex: Like in the movie NOPE. Spoiler alert.

Josh: Oh no. Oh spoiler. Which that transformation looks a lot like the squids and octopus videos that I've seen on YouTube lately.

Alex: Might have taken inspiration.

Josh: Horrifying transformations. Not to mention octopus DNA. It's out of this world. But if I say too much, Shana's gonna come on as a Ghost just to fact check me on everything. So we'll leave it out. But yeah, he said biologics. So that's the question. Biology has to have some sort of like organic what we call like organic tissue or something like that. bacteria?

Alex: could be that if there were pilots they incinerated themselves but we found their food

Josh: Ohhhhh

Alex: that's That wasn't really serious, but technically it would fit.

Josh: They're like, oh no, "we're going down!" "Jimmy, pull the embolism device!"

Alex: Or they have like a cyanide pill in a tooth and they just chomp down on it And it's actually an enzyme that melts them

Josh: interesting. So I was thinking more along the lines of like non earth-based like bacteria

Lizzie: amoebo

Alex: Like maybe these craft were built in a clean room. Sterile environment.

Josh: Yeah. Maybe they are remotely operated, drone-like craft, but yeah, through whatever processes of leaving and coming and going, collected some non-Earth bacteria. So just choice of words, yeah, very government, very like designed to be specific, but also vague. It's Beautiful.

Alex: Well, it sounds to me just from 1 of the things that you've said that he said. It sounds like some things are at a level of classification, and, like, he knows. He understands what the levels of classification are, and he's following it, whereas beforehand, before he came out with all of this stuff, it was not being properly reported on. Like, there were things that were of a level of classification where Congress should have been made known, been made aware, it wasn't being done. But He's not gonna just hand over everything. He's not a lunatic. He's still following the correct guidelines.

Josh: protocol.

Lizzie: Yeah. I think that was a big part of this whole thing happening is that all these Congress men and women where like, okay, we don't know anything about this. We've tried asking to get this information. We're not allowed. Why are we not allowed? Why is this being hidden? What's going on? And yeah, these guys are all, the 1 in specific, I can't remember which 1, was very cautious, because he seemed to be the 1 that knew I guess the most and they asked so many things and the majority of what he said during that 2 hours or whatever was "I can't say that We can talk about it later in a non-public", but yeah, so.

Josh: Yeah, the whole thing seems very strategic. So basically this committee needed to get these 3 guys in front, in a public open setting to get their testimonies on public record, first and foremost, and I think, and then follow it up with a SCIF-based, high classification level discussion where all the nitty-gritty details come out that the Congress members are authorized to hear. And in part, I think a lot is to do kind of, so the same reason why they got, so you're talking about David Grusch, that was Grusch.

Lizzie: Yeah

Josh: The reason they went with The Drive for the initial story to break the story was because the New York Times and these other news organizations weren't moving fast enough. And the Leslie Keane and I can't remember both reporters behind him. They're the ones behind the Tic Tac New York Times article if I'm correct.

Alex: Yeah, she's in that show that I mentioned to you guys on Disney Plus, Nat Geo.

Lizzie: Yeah

Josh: Nice. Yeah. And probably George Knapp probably is too.

Alex: Not yet.

Josh: So George was sitting right behind David Grusch at the hearing. He's sitting right there. But anyway, yeah. So Leslie Keane, and her partner, They went to The Drive with this news article with Dave Grusch because these other locations weren't moving fast enough and they were so worried and concerned that if they didn't get his story out fast enough that it would imperil him like mortally and as a witness and as a testifier. So there's like, you know, you kind of see it with like mob hit jobs, like when you're going to court, cases, like the mobster will try to knock their guy out, this guy out before he testifies against him.

Alex: Right.

Josh: That kind of feeling kind of pervaded the hearing.

Lizzie: Yeah.

Josh: They asked a lot, like, have you ever been intimidated or received physical, you know, like physical violence or they even asked, Are you aware of anyone who has been killed? to cover up

Lizzie: They first asked if you know of anybody that's been harmed. And he was like, yeah.

Josh: Harmed / injured, I think.

Lizzie: Yeah. He said yes to that. Do you know anybody that was killed? And he was like, Yeah, I can't talk about that here.

Josh: Yeah, he said, I have presented the individuals who know that information to the Inspector General. That was specifically about the UAP crash retrieval program.

Alex: So have they gotten any answer? This is still ongoing, is it not?

Josh: Yeah, this was-

Alex: It probably won't be by the time this episode is published, but as we're speaking-

Josh: It might, I mean it might take months.

Alex: Oh wow, really? To get everything through, yeah. Have they had any answers as to why are we not getting the information that we need? Why has this been so difficult? Have they answered any of that yet, or is that all, I can't talk about that here in the open?

Josh: A lot of that, yeah.

Alex: Yeah, okay.

Josh: He's kind of alluded to certain high-power figures within both the federal government and former government who are now, like, senior execs in defense contracting companies who wield a lot of influence and power and money to kind of keep things under wraps.

Alex: I haven't seen anything or read anything about this congressional hearing, but in this National Geographic show, I think it's called... Investigating UFOs? And then it has a subtitle-

Josh: Undisclosed? or no

Lizzie: Yeah, something like that.

Alex: I mean I can look it up, but it's not that important. Nah, I'm not gonna do it

Josh: And links in the show notes for anyone who wants to watch it! because I do I saw the messages come through, but it was a bad day, so I didn't read it thoroughly.

Lizzie: it talks a lot about that article.

Josh: The New York Times, Tic Tac?

Lizzie: Yeah, mhmm.

Josh: Yeah with David Fraver.

Lizzie: How that all built up and them getting it out and stuff.

Josh: Oh, cool.

Alex: It is called UFOs Investigating the Unknown. And it talks about and to a lot of journalists. Leslie Keene is regularly in the program talking about more or less the history of the non-disclosure basically Project Blue Book and all of its names that came before it became Project Blue Book. The head scientist for Project Blue Book that I can't remember the name of right now and how he was a huge skeptical.

Josh: Oh, yeah

Lizzie: Hynek or something

Alex: Yeah, Hynek! Good job.

Josh: Oh Hynek was the-

Alex: lead scientist for Blue Book.

Josh: Oh! Initially or always a skeptic?

Alex: always a skeptic- not always. initially. You're right initially. and he he was writing off as many of these things as he could possibly get. And I don't remember them saying specifically that Hynek was hired to do that. I'm not sure they were taking that approach yet.

Lizzie: I think so, kind of.

Alex: There was another scientist later that was specifically hired to do that.

Josh: And he closed Project Blue Book, right?

Alex: University of Colorado.

Josh: He wrote their final report, closed the book on it. He was like, this is all...

Alex: Without reading the 999 other pages written by his students, that gave a lot of credit to a lot of the sightings. He wrote his one-page conclusion saying, the government needs to wash their hands of this and stop. This is stupid. Because he didn't want to believe. And he was paid to do it also.

Josh: Awesome. So they tell this whole background context.

Alex: All of that stuff.

Josh: That's so great.

Alex: While also going into a lot more recent sightings and the people that were part of the sightings. So We've got, dang it, I can't remember the name of the pilot. I can only remember his call sign.

Josh: It's Fravor. David Fraver.

Alex: His call sign was sex.

Josh: Oh no not David Fraver. Come on, that's too short.

Alex: I don't understand. I remember very clearly, it was his first name, sex in quotation marks, and his last name.

Josh: Oh, that shouldn't fly. It sounds too much like six.

Alex: Well, he did. He was a pretty good pilot.

Lizzie: he-he

Josh: Over the radio when he...

Alex: But also his wingman during the Tic Tac sighting, a female pilot that I also do not remember the name of-

Josh: Uh-oh, what's her nickname?

Alex: I don't remember that either.

Josh: Oh, okay.

Alex: Yeah, they talked to them both about that sighting and the radar technician who watched it happen and also analyzed everything afterwards. And then they also go into this Stephenville, Texas sighting from 2008.

Josh: Oh, you brought that up. But I didn't look into it.

Lizzie: Oh yeah.

Josh: 2008?

Alex: Mmhm. But they also have Congress folks on the show, 1 of which is in Parks and Rec. Leslie Knope writes a little, what do you call that?

Josh: Love letter?

Alex: No, she has the Congresswoman's book, and she wrote something in it, and then asked her to sign it.

Lizzie: Oh, yeah.

Josh: Oh, that's so funny.

Alex: "I left extra space if you think there's anything else you want to add."

Lizzie: It was like, "you're my best friend, I love you."

Alex: "You're my inspiration and everything." She goes, I think I've said everything I wanted to say.

Lizzie: That's her?

Alex: Yeah. Yeah, that's her. I wish I could remember her name. I don't remember the names of any of these Congress people. But they had a Republican congressman who said, "Republicans are just as interested in these things and just as open-minded about them as the Democrats." It's an interesting show and makes me want to look into this congressional hearing, of course.

Josh: It was awesome. But I think there was an agenda. I think there was a political agenda, but the political agenda seemed to be, because I mean, this is the oversight committee. So the agenda was we should have oversight over all intelligence programs. And I think they established pretty well that you know, they clearly don't.

Alex: I mean I think that is the law right now. Yeah I don't think it's just that's the way it should be. I think it's that's the way it is on the books.

Josh: Right it's just it's really it's a fascinating problem set though. because who says any of these Congress people are trustworthy enough to hold a clearance and to have access to all of these extremely sensitive programs? As a normal American citizen, you get vetted first, and if you're not vetted, you don't get it. You don't have the privilege of working in it.

Alex: Right

Josh: For politicians, you get voted. Like, the American people say, you know, give them what they want.

Alex: Yeah. There's a lot to our government. Our government is so bloated now in its function. I don't even know. I don't know how that works.

Josh: Yeah, so, I mean, yes, Congress that represents the American people runs the show. The military defers to the people. The intelligence community, the Department of Defense, defer to the American citizen. So it's just really, it's a strange dance of sorts.

Lizzie: Well and something that I, I mean I learned a lot of things obviously, but something that I didn't know at all that was happening was that there are plenty of commercial pilots that see these things all the time too. I didn't know. I thought for sure it was just with the military and their drills and everything, them mostly finding stuff.

Alex: I mean that's 1 of the reasons why I wanted to become a pilot.

Lizzie: Oh, okay. I mean I wanted to be a biologist so I could find Bigfoot, so.

Alex: 1 of the things I thought was the most interesting, not about Blue Book, but about the University of Colorado. I think it's University of Colorado. If it's not University of Colorado, it's a university in Colorado.

Josh: That sounds right, yeah

Alex: That was given this job of basically wrapping everything up for the military. So they didn't have to keep answering all of these calls was that the sighting that they thought was the most interesting and the most credible was the McMinnville, Oregon sighting

Lizzie: yeah

Josh: really?

Alex: from the 1950s

Lizzie: With that old timey picture

Alex: yeah

Josh: okay yeah that one keeps sticking around, huh?

Lizzie: it's creepy

Josh: it's just because of the yeah well in the accounts that they recorded and kept is pretty wild.

Alex: They wrote quite a bit about it. In that report.

Josh: This is what is hard. This is what's hard for me to spin my head around. Because I'm, you know, you guys know, I'm like a 95% alien guy.

Alex: What does that mean, 95% alien?

Lizzie: You're 95% alien?

Josh: 5% of me is like show me and then I'll trust it. 95% is like, shut up 5%-er, it's real. So all these like older sightings that we consider that we're aware of are like the nuts and bolts type.

Alex: Yeah right they do appear that way way more than the glowing orbs of today.

Josh: Right so the question being did we just not did we see those and just not think they were weird or, is it-

Alex: alien technology has advanced and now they are glowing orbs.

Josh: Yeah, interesting.

Lizzie: I mean it's not like they're all the same exact thing.

Josh: Which is another thing to wrap my head around. They're not all the same thing!

Lizzie: Like there are quite a few different witnesses of these-

Josh: Makes and models? Oh.

Lizzie: Well yeah. But witnesses of the ones that are a cube. No, no. It's a sphere. A clear sphere with a cube inside. And then there's-

Josh: so the corners of the cube are all touching the inside inside of the sphere.

Lizzie: and then there's the you know, stereotypical saucer There's that the 1 in Texas from Stephenville that was a mile wide

Alex: A mile wide he estimated

Lizzie: with Lights all around it, but it was-

Josh: what the heck

Lizzie: but it was solid-

Alex: It was also shape Shifting

Josh: Amorphous?

Lizzie: oh yeah it was moving

Alex: he said that He saw the lights in a row blinking randomly, and then it turned into, the lights on the outside moved down and made an arc. Downward towards the ground.

Josh: But you can see the craft itself or you can only see like-

Alex: that's what I don't know

Lizzie: that's what they said...

Josh: just get a sense of an outline of it...

Alex: I don't know that I'm I tried to listen carefully for any indication of that But I don't even remember what time of day

Lizzie: at some point Somebody said like it's moving around but you can tell it's 1 physical thing. I'm pretty sure

Alex: here's the weird thing crazy move on the mutual UFO Network got their hands on radar data of the area from that time period where it was supposed to be going on. And they found multiple radar pings in a line, as if it were separate crafts, which is why I'm confused about whether it was 1 or separate things.

Josh: Yeah, that's just, that's nuts.

Alex: And bolts!

[00:23:21] Stewnerds!

[00:23:29] Storytime Segment

Soundbyte: Hey kids, do you know what time it is? Story time!

Lizzie: Okay, so I'm gonna tell this story. I'm mostly telling it out of spite to my husband.

Josh: Oh no.

Lizzie: To make him admit how wonderful he is, because he doesn't like to do that.

Alex: Doesn't really sound like spite.

Lizzie: He told me not to do it but I'm doing it anyway so it's that spite.

Josh: There it is.

Lizzie: Jared grew up his his dad and his siblings all went in well actually no their grandfather bought this cabin on the beach in Rockaway, Oregon and then you know he passed away and then the ownership went to all the kids you know so they've all shared it throughout the years and eventually they had to sell it in I guess that was 2020.

Alex: Yeah he mentioned this when he was last here.

Josh: Yeah that was episode 12.

Lizzie: My bad. forgot.

Alex: All good.

Lizzie: Yeah so we We went on like 1 last trip with his parents in 2020 to spend a few days at the cabin. And so, you know, we brought all the beach stuff, we brought boogie boards to go, you know, play in the water. And I had never actually gone boogie boarding before because I'm terrified of water I'm terrified of bodies of water. I love rain and Showers, but I don't like-

Josh: what about puddles?

Lizzie: Puddles are fine. I can't drown in a puddle.

Alex: My body is 70% water.

Josh: That is a big body of water!

Lizzie: So like whenever I went to the beach I mean I'd play up until like the water hits my waist mostly and I'd never go far than that 1.

Alex: That's pretty deep in the ocean.

Lizzie: I mean yeah it's cold.

Josh: Especially in the North Pacific Ocean.

Lizzie: The Oregon coast is cold. The waves are pretty strong. They're always, you know, we're always told about rip tides and stuff. So even though like I would, you, I mean, you guys would go farther too. Sometimes.

Alex: 1 time I went farther than that.

Josh: If I had a boogie board, I would go further, but without any floaties? Heck no.

Lizzie: I remember you guys and dad too going out and you know like wave hopping. Trying to get me to go farther But I wouldn't. Anyway, so this I was like, oh this might be the last time I go to the beach in a while also Because we don't live in Oregon anymore So I let Jared convince me to try boogie boarding. You know, I go, it's fun, I'm getting used to it, and so I get more daring. We're going out farther and farther and we're fine. And it's so fun. And it's usually I'm terrified of water, but I was having so much fun. And until I look back and realize I can't see Jared and the coastline is farther away than I expected, and I can't touch the ground anymore.

Alex: were you in a riptide?

Lizzie: And I got caught in a riptide.

Josh: Oh...

Alex: oh boy.

Lizzie: And...

Alex: Did you swim sideways?

Lizzie: I tried.

Josh: So You couldn't feel...

Lizzie: I couldn't feel it.

Josh: You couldn't feel like you were being... You couldn't feel like the speed of it or...

Lizzie: Uh-uh, it just happened.

Josh: Crazy. And...

Alex: Did you have a board?

Lizzie: Yeah.

Alex: Okay. At least you had flotation.

Lizzie: So if I didn't have that I would I would be dead. I would have died. I remember you know at the point where I couldn't feel the ground anymore I think there might have also been like a I mean that's probably where the riptide came from I think there might have been a drop off of it there might be more of a current you know to go to and And even when I started getting battered under, still couldn't feel the ground. Couldn't feel the sand. And so I was like, OK, OK, swim sideways. Well, I still get swimming. I tried taking lessons, and that never really worked.

Josh: Yeah, for the record, Stewarts are land-based creatures.

Alex: I swim pretty good.

Lizzie: Oh.

Josh: Okay, maybe Jacob does too, I don't know.

Alex: But not freestyle. I hate that stroke.

Josh: Okay, the Yellow and Red Stewart are not water people.

Lizzie: I sink pretty hard. I've also got asthma, so...

Josh: Hey, I did too!

Lizzie: ...I started having trouble breathing also while trying to figure this out.

Josh: Oh no. It's cold. It's on it's everywhere You're panicking anyway.

Lizzie: I can't see where Jared is I can't swim sideways. I'm doing my darndest. I can't can't even go so I'm just getting hit over the head with waves

Alex: you're out by the breakers?

Josh: must be, yeah

Alex: where the waves break so they would actually fall on top of you?

Lizzie: Oh yeah yeah I'm getting hit I'm quite sure I'm about to drown. Doing my darndest to swim and I'm at least able to hold onto the board and you're like sideways up under my arm but I am not really able to do much else and I was really panicking I was like I'm I'm actually about to die right now. And I can't do anything about it. Until I hear Jared yelling, and then I feel him grab me. We start struggling. And Jared is a good swimmer. He grew up going to the coast and actually going to pools and stuff Like we didn't.

Alex: yeah, he mentioned the pools too.

Lizzie: Yeah

Josh: Oh yeah he did.

Lizzie: And you know he's surfed before and all this, and he's strong! And a lot bigger than me.

Josh: All right, what else? keep going. let's get this out.

Lizzie: he's actually able to get us moving, but... And, like, you know, I don't know how long I was out there struggling by myself and how long it was us trying to get back up. It felt like forever. Felt like forever of him pulling me and you know, we're trying to go sideways trying to go forward a little bit going sideways I still feel like it's getting farther and farther away I'm just like okay great now I'm gonna make Jared die with me like I could have just gone on my own but no Jared had to come try to be a hero and now we're both gonna die that's great but I mean yeah I don't know and I feel like I was just a dead weight and he's just pulling me because I'm like also feeling like I'm close to having an asthma attack while I'm out in the middle of the ocean. And I don't know. Anyways, eventually we get to the point where I can kind of touch the ground and so I start pushing. But it feels like, I don't know, the tide was going out. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. It was pretty crazy. But I'm trying to push on my tippy toes and swim, and I feel like I'm not moving at all, and we're just struggling. I don't know. It felt like forever. At least 15 minutes. Gosh, we eventually get up onto the sand with both our feet down and we're able to really walk out and we get to, you know, we're able to like fall down on our hands and knees outside of the water and we're looking around at other people and they're kind of looking at us like we're weirdos. Like they didn't just see us nearly die, I don't know. And so we're sitting there, we're laying there and I start crying. I don't know what Jared was doing, but I'm crying. And Also, you know like you just saved my life like do you get that? He's like no no you would've been fine. like no no I wouldn't have!

Alex: You would have been fine

Lizzie: You came because you knew I wasn't!

Josh: Nah nah, you were good. Yeah yeah you were great. I just missed you.

Alex: I came out to save you because you were gonna be fine.

Lizzie: Yeah. I mean, that's why he didn't want me to tell the story. He doesn't want to admit that he was a hero. That he was actually cool and saved my life.

Josh: Cue Bonnie Taylor.

Lizzie: What?

Josh: Bonnie Tyler. Dang it.

Alex: I still don't know who that is.

Josh: "I need a hero"

Alex: Oh. Cue Foo Fighters. "There goes my hero"

Lizzie: Okay. well anyways

Josh: Lizzie, Cue Jared.

Lizzie: Yeah. So we, also not wanting to figure his parents out because we're assuming that they would have seen us go way out But we so you know we start walking back, and they're like oh You guys had fun. You're so wet did you have fun? We're like yeah, yeah, we're totally fine Yeah, it's great And his mom loves taking pictures. She's like, okay, let me take pictures of you guys in your wetsuits.

Alex: So you have a picture of when you almost died?

Lizzie: Yes, and that is in the book that his mom printed for everybody to like commemorate the cabin. So like the last page is a picture of us right after we nearly died.

Josh: Oh creepy

Alex: Good thing we're selling. Because we almost died.

Lizzie: Because, yeah, that made Jared be like, I'm okay not going to the beach for a while now.

Alex: This is why he said that was a traumatic day.

Lizzie: Oh, he did?

Josh: Oh......

Alex: Not because of all the emotions of losing the cabin, though that probably played some part.

Lizzie: Yeah, no, he was pretty torn up, but no, we nearly died. I nearly died at least

Alex: He would have been fine probably

Lizzie: He would've been fine!

Josh: We're unraveling the web of lies!

Lizzie: His parents still know, so hopefully they don't listen

Alex: I'd be surprised if they did

Lizzie: we immediately told all his siblings though when we got home. While his parents were away.

Josh: Was it so, yeah, with events like that, like it kind of not uncommon for like time to like stand still right I wonder if that Cuz rip tides like move you quick. I wonder if it just like if you guys were just like out and you know back so quickly that no one really had an opportunity to even be like-

Lizzie: Ah look at them!

Josh: Wow You guys were out there forever. What were you doing?

Alex: right

Lizzie: Yeah Yeah, it felt like forever to me Especially because I feel like the majority of the time was me struggling before Jared even got to me, and there was actually a point like right before dear got to me that I was like I can't keep struggling I'm gonna have to stop struggling soon, and just let it happen I guess. I don't know. I did my best to like get up on the board and everything, but I-

Josh: I can see the dramatized, the dramatized, she just leans back and puts her arms up above her head, like, ahhhh, and then right into Jared's arms.

Lizzie: Nah, it was like ahhh. It was so stressful and I can't believe he actually got to me too. I feel like I was so far out. I don't know.

Alex: What beach was this?

Josh: Rockaway?

Lizzie: Rockaway.

Alex: Can I picture Rockaway Beach? Is that the beach that we went to? Post chemo camp out?

Lizzie: Was Jared there?

Alex: no

Lizzie: then no. I Think-

Josh: I went. I've been there.

Alex: With the trailer? When we went trailer camping?

Lizzie: Oh, no that was with Aunt Vickie

Alex: Well They weren't there, but it was that they're in their trailer. post chemo. They set it up for us and then they left.

Lizzie: Yeah. I thought they were there.

Alex: No.

Lizzie: Oh, they were there for a second though.

Alex: and we like sat in a little grass patch to get out of the wind.

Lizzie: Yeah, no, I remember. But no, that was Pacific City.

Josh: Rockaway is pretty much rock away. It's as it sounds. Say it with me...

Alex: It rocks you away?

Josh: It was a lot. It's like rocks, right? It's like smaller rocks. It's not very sandy?

Lizzie: No

Josh: really? The day I went there it was really overcast And gloomy like-

Alex: So the sand looked like rocks? You might want to get your eyes checked.

Josh: Too make a long story short, they're basically rocks, right? Isn't that what all sand is?

Alex: Well, yeah. Tiny, tiny rocks.

Josh: Churches, churches.

Alex: So, when you say that you were trying to swim sideways.

Lizzie: Yeah.

Alex: What are you saying exactly? I...

Josh: It's not the side stroke. You're supposed to go perpendicular...

Lizzie: Yeah, no, yeah, I went perpendicular

Alex: north or south. So you're trying to swim north or south. Okay, all you nieces, nephews, and brothers, if you're in a riptide, you need to swim north or south so look for land, if you can't see it give up now...

Josh: ah! wait no!

Alex: but swim parallel to the land so that you move with the land when swimming

Josh: out directly out of the flow of the riptide.

Alex: Right, because the riptide takes you away from land.

Lizzie: I mean just don't go out that far if you're not a good swimmer too, because I swear I was doing my darkness and I was just getting pushed out farther and farther and I don't know Eventually, you're supposed to break out of it. But I would've been dead anyway!

Alex: well, it might have been a combination of the tide and the riptide. Like the tide was going out. and you didn't know it.

Lizzie: I just suck at swimming I guess, mostly

Josh: I mean, truth. This is why I don't trust the- I have a very strong mistrust of the water.

Lizzie: Yeah, I'm not... I'm going knee-deep at most again. That will be the rest of my life I was right I had it right the first time but

Alex: it's just scary out in the ocean you don't know what else is around you out there you can't see it!

Lizzie: I felt lots of stuff too

Alex: yeah not cool!

Lizzie: I hated it.

Josh: so that's funny cuz I actually feel I feel safer in natural water-

Alex: If you can get your mind in the right place, like where you're not thinking about what you can't see, but if you think about the fact that you could not be seeing something that's right there, then you're in trouble.

Josh: Yeah. Interesting.

Lizzie: No, I hate pools. I'd much rather go to a lake or a river than a pool.

Josh: Yes. Yeah.

Alex: And again, I've been to some crystal clear Oregon lakes too and being able to see the bottom freaked me out too.

Lizzie: Yeah, that's scarier to me.

Alex: It looks like it's a mile away, but I can see it because of the like magnification of the water or something and it freaks me out. I hate it.

Josh: I always have this idea that there's like a malevolent sea creature in all water. And as soon as my legs go in, it's gonna get me!

Alex: We're too Scottish.

Josh: It's looking for me.

Lizzie: Nessie's waiting!

Alex: We're afraid of kelpies.

Josh: Yeah, the kelpies. Yeah, we're in a landlocked state now. We good.

Lizzie: Yeah, it's fine. Bear Lake was great.

Alex: Bear Lake was pretty shallow. It had a pretty wide, shallow end of the pool.

Josh: The north end.

Alex: That is where we were, I think, is the north end, right? The shallow part of it was so long.

Josh: Well, that just gives us 1 more reason to like Jared even more. And then you married him!

Lizzie: That- That-

Alex: That was after they were already married...

Josh: He pulls you out and you're like, "oh, thanks". Marriage proposal! He's like, "no, I knew it!" You guys were already married.

[00:38:26] Another Brother Outro

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